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ce ne poate invata Biblia despre roboti?

https://www.openbible.info/topics/robots

merita bagat in seama si urmatorul verset care se refera (in mod specific) la inteligenta artificiala:
Revelation 13:14-18

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescoreand six.
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Are you, by any chance, talking about the Holy Fucking Book? Here's Johnny...
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17th century little dutch girl livin' in a windmill :lol:

preferam doar Fuckin Book dar cum au bagat si vechiul testament acolo, presupun ca da, Holy Fuckin Book. videoul tau se refera la Holy Fuckin Book, deoarece J.C. a rezolvat majoritatea dilemelor de acest fel acu 2000 ani (bine, Biserica Ortodoxa dat undo la majoritatea lor zicand ca Sf. Duh nu e necesar sa provina prin Fiu dar asta e deja alta discutie)

vezi ca pe la prima jumatate a ultimului video postat de mine in topicul cu TED Talks (fa abstractie de la pretty fuckin literally holy shitstorm in acel topic) da o explicatie decenta pentru intrebarea "de ce n-a inventat omul chestii precum avionul timp de mii de ani" ceea ce rezuma chestia cu Libertate vs. God (din punctul de vedere al American J.C.)
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"Three things are necessary for the salvation of man:
to know what he ought to believe;
to know what he ought to desire;
and to know what he ought to do."
--St. Thomas Aquinas
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Prima jumatate adica ar trebui sa caut printre primele 90 de minute? Heh. Oricum, nu prea am idee despre ce vorbesti, credeam ca esti ironic cu Biblia si robotii (glumeai, nu?)...so i just wanted to tag along.
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nu glumeam. e o resursa importanta din moment ce a supravietuit atatia ani si a influentat atat de multe lucruri (inclusiv stiinta). e o perspectiva in plus. oricum, nu as putea sa ma descriu drept crestin. doar ca sunt de acord cu J.C. si apreciez valoarea estetica. la fel ca Pasolini dar ca fara partea homosexualo-marxista :lol: daca deja suntem aici, recomand si filmul lui Bunuel despre Simeon Stâlpnicul, zis si Simeon din Muntele cel minunat, zis si Simeon Stilitul cel Nou. din Siria. stalpul e stiinta & tehnologie. se pune, nu?

m-am uitat acum la filmul cu americanul, partea relevanta e de la minutul 16:30 pana pe la 30:00
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Ascult acum. Oricum, nu neg importanta culturala a Bibiliei si a Crestinismului in general (evident, religia crestina a fost pentru multa vreme elementul definitoriu al civilizatiei Occidentale) ci doar capacitatea lui Ioan de a avea ceva relevant de spus in legatura cu problemele puse de o tehnologie pe cale sa se dezvolte dupa 2000 de ani de la moartea lui.
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cred ca glumesti. asta este una dintre preocuparile cardinale ale Vaticanului de sute de ani. un exemplu modest dar care sare-n ochi este arhitectura (urmata indeaproape de astronomie, a.k.a. casa lui Dumnezeu). omul care a descoperit ca universul se dilata... nu numai ca era crestin dar era si preot.

impactul cel mai puternic a avut probabil in domeniul medicinii. exista progres si inainte sa Vina... probabil exista progres si fara J.C. ... insa faptul ca El a produs miracole vindecand bolnavii si inviind mortii - iar apoi a disparut - a facut din acest aspect o prioritate pentru cei care aveau vointa puternica plus creierul odihnit... dar n-aveau chef sa macelareasca necredinciosi suparati.
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Am vazut jumatatea-aia-de-film acum ceva vreme, in afara de Silvia Pinal in rol de Satana-Sexy nu mai tin minte mare lucru. Nu vad legatura dintre contributiile lui Lemaitre (apropo, daca Einstein avea mai multa incredere in ce ii spuneau ecuatiile din Teoria Generala a Relativitatii si nu introducea Constanta Cosmologica in ele ar fi prezis faptul ca Universul nu e static inainte de George sau de Hubble) si faptul ca ar trebui sa asociem delirurile escatologice ale unui tip cu o tehnologie despre care nu putea avea nici cea mai vaga idee ca o sa existe.
La chestiile cu miracole si inviatul din morti incepi sa ma pierzi, cred ca e off-topic.
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cred ca esti rau-voitor. progresul in domeniul medicinii - in lumea vestica, ceea ce nu inseamna ca n-as face un topic despre medicina chineza de exemplu - se datoreaza atitudinii crestine. eu, din respect pentru tine si pentru discutie, am propus un mecanism simplu dar plauzibil, sa nu zic "J.C. = lumea crestina, urmatoarea intrebare!" iar tu n-ai putut sa te abtii de la a face bascalie gratuita. bine.

in rest te iei de detalii aiurea. te inteleg, probabil esti suparat ca nu-ti dau detalii irefutabile. nu stiu ce sa-ti zic. probabil ar trebui sa iei in considerare faptul ca in afara de medicina, restul progresului stiintific este progres virtual. adica nu e progres real, ceva ce nu puteam sa facem inainte. poti sa ajungi din punctul A in punctul B la fel de repede ca un rege... poti sa calculezi la fel de repede ca un imparat cu 1 milion de sclavi calculatori... mananci ca un barosan chiar si cu un salariu mediu pe economie... poti sa dai muzica tare si se aude de parca ai avea un taraf la dispozitie...

in schimb, daca in trecut faceai o infectie, puteai sa fii si Donald Trump (sau Stalin sau eroul tau personal, Nicolae C.), tot mureai. a ajuta pe cineva care are nevoie de ajutor este crestinesc. daca nu exista aceasta nevoie de a ajuta, nu se dezvoltau instrumentele (ca doar nu faceai profit, vezi videoul cu americanu').

faptul ca JFK ne-a pus pe luna (tot progres real, calitativ diferit de cal si caruta, nu doar cantitativ) si nu altcineva...

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Progrese in medicina s-au facut in Europa si inainte de Crestinism dar oricum eu nu vorbeam despre asta. Nu eu ma leg de detalii aiurea, tu deschizi o gramada de subiecte (ca progresul stiintific "iluzoriu") care ar genera discutii separate interesante dar nu prea au legatura cu chestia de la care a pornit discutia initiala. Iar la obiectia principala (Biblia nu poate avea nimic de zis despre roboti si AI si nici nu a facut-o) nu ai cum sa raspunzi direct pentru ca orice incercare de justificare a unei asemenea teze ar fi absurda. Anyhow, asta-i tot, eu unul ma culc ca mor de somn.
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Iavo wrote:Progrese in medicina s-au facut in Europa si inainte de Crestinism dar oricum eu nu vorbeam despre asta. Nu eu ma leg de detalii aiurea, tu deschizi o gramada de subiecte (ca progresul stiintific "iluzoriu") care ar genera discutii separate interesante dar nu prea au legatura cu chestia de la care a pornit discutia initiala. Iar la obiectia principala (Biblia nu poate avea nimic de zis despre roboti si AI si nici nu a facut-o) nu ai cum sa raspunzi direct pentru ca orice incercare de justificare a unei asemenea teze ar fi absurda. Anyhow, asta-i tot, eu unul ma culc ca mor de somn.
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Tensiunea creste.
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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

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NASA’s Cassini Mission Prepares for 'Grand Finale' at Saturn

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NASA's Cassini spacecraft, in orbit around Saturn since 2004, is about to begin the final chapter of its remarkable story. On Wednesday, April 26, the spacecraft will make the first in a series of dives through the 1,500-mile-wide (2,400-kilometer) gap between Saturn and its rings as part of the mission’s grand finale.
In mid-September, following a distant encounter with Titan, the spacecraft's path will be bent so that it dives into the planet. When Cassini makes its final plunge into Saturn's atmosphere on Sept. 15, it will send data from several instruments – most notably, data on the atmosphere's composition – until its signal is lost.
"Cassini's grand finale is so much more than a final plunge," said Spilker. "It's a thrilling final chapter for our intrepid spacecraft, and so scientifically rich that it was the clear and obvious choice for how to end the mission."
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