Discuţii politice, ca la cafenea

[MC]

Eu cred ca aia 8 ajungeau oricum in Paris, cu sau fara criza refugiatilor.

De acord.
Doar ca primind sute de mii de sirieni exista riscul ca printre ei sa fie si membri ISIS.
Pe cale de consecinta creste riscul unor atacuri de acest gen. Poate nu exista nici un membru ISIS in aia 250.000 de refugiati, dar poate printr-o sansa minima sa existe totusi.
Nu zic ca nu trebuie ajutati refugiatii, dar nici sa o faci fara sa iti iei niste masuri de precautie in caz ca totusi primesti si niste trogloditi.

Existau celule ISIS in Franta inca dinainte de criza refugiatilor, dar nici nu poti sa mergi pe ideea ca "acuma ce mi-e unu in plus sau unu in minus ca oricum deja sunt aici"

[zme-ul]

corectat

[McWilliams]

Eu zic asa: maine ne adunam in poiana lui Iocan, bem niste bere, ne punem niste glugi albe pe cap, dam foc la un tomberon, scriem pe trotuar "dam UE lui Allah" si urinam pe zidul unei moschei, apoi scriem pe un blog ca am aparat valorile democrat-crestin-europene!

[Apollyon]

Toata discutia despre interzicerea religiei islamice in Occident cred ca e inutila, o astfel de masura e imposibil de pus in practica.

Inteleg ca ISIS a revendicat atentatul si se refera la concertul de muzica unde au murit in jur de 90 de oameni ca fiind o "petrecere a prostitutiei". Vorbesc despre cat de mare si minunat e Allah si spun ca au atacat Parisul pentru ca e capitala prostitutiei, obscenitatii si pentru ca poarta banner-ul crucii in Europa. Afirmatia ca toate atacurile astea teroriste nu au nicio legatura cu religia islamica nu sta in picioare.

In a blessed attack for which Allah facilitated the causes for success, a faithful group of the soldiers of the Caliphate – may Allah dignify it and make it victorious – launched out. It targetted the capital of prostitution and obscenity, the carrier of the banner of the Cross in Europe: Paris.
[...]

So they were honest with Allah, we consider them thusly, and Allah conquered through their hands and cast in the hearts of the Crusaders horror in the middle of their land, where eight brothers wrapped in explosive belts and armed with machine rifles, targeted sites that were accurately chosen in the heart of the capital of France. Including the Stade de France during the match between the Crusader German and French teams where the imbecile of France, Francois Hollande, was present.

[They also targeted] the Bataclan Conference Center, where hundreds of apostates had gathered in a profligate prostitution party, and other areas in the 10th and 11th and 18th [arrondissements] and in a coordinated fashion. So Paris shook under their feet, and its streets were tight upon them, and the result of the attacks was the death of no less than a hundred Crusaders and the wounding of more. Unto Allah, is all praise and gratitude.

Let France – and those who walk in its path – know that they will remain on the top of the list of targets of the Islamic State. The smell of death will never leave their noses as long as they lead the convoy of the Crusader campaign, and dare to curse our Prophet (Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) and are proud of fighting Islam in France and striking the Muslims in the land of the Caliphate with their planes – which did not help them at all in the streets of Paris, and its rotten alleys. This attack is the first of the storm and a warning to those who wish to learn. - sursa

LE: inca o informatie interesanta:

Attacker with Syrian passport was refugee who passed through Greek island

According to the Greek Public Order Minister Dimitris Toskas, the attacker found at the Stade de France who was found with a Syrian passport passed through the Greek island of Leros.

This happened in early October, under EU rules which mean migrants passing through must identify themselves. - sursa

[ola small dickie]

"Afirmatia ca toate atacurile astea teroriste nu au nicio legatura cu religia islamica nu sta in picioare."

Au legatura cu religia islamica inteleasa in mod voit rau si folosita pentru a face rau. Cred ca este necesar sa delimitam niste extremisti de intreaga religie islamica.

[zme-ul]

Au legatura cu religia islamica inteleasa in mod voit rau si folosita pentru a face rau. Cred ca este necesar sa delimitam niste extremisti de intreaga religie islamica.

huh!? ce vrei sa zici? ca extremismul exista doar in islam

[ola small dickie]

cand am spus asta? am spus eu ca extremismul exista doar in islam? sau asta sustii tu?

[zme-ul]

cand am spus asta? am spus eu ca extremismul exista doar in islam? sau asta sustii tu?

te invarti in jurul cozii ca un caine dupa covrigi

ce treaba are terorismul sau existenta debililor astia cu islamul?! nici una

[ola small dickie]

eu nu inteleg cu cine se cearta zmeul.

[zme-ul]

eu nu inteleg cu cine se cearta zmeul.

cu tine, pufosule sau ti se pare ca dau quote altcuiva

[ola small dickie]

whatever. nu inteleg ce te chinui sa imi comunici.

[marius]

ia ghici ce-i duduie creierii lu Marine Le Pen:

Fundamentalismul islamist trebuie distrus, moscheile radicale trebuie inchise, iar clericii radicali expulzati. Teroristilor francezi trebuie sa li se ia cetatenia si sa li se interzica sa mai intre in aceasta tara

fedaykin, ti-am gasit nevasta

Nu vad nimic gresit in ce a zis madame. Exista moschei normale si exista moschei radicale, finantate probabil chiar de teroristi. Nu vad de ce nu ar fi inchise anumite moschei. In Tunisia, dupa atacul terorist de anul acesta, autoritatile au inchis aproximativ 80 de moschei in toata tara. Moschei nereglementate/cu suspiciuni de radicalizare etc. Daca intr-o tara musulmana se poate, de ce nu se poate si in Europa?

[Doc]

de ce nu se poate si in Europa?

Pentru ca ne cacam pe noi cu political correctness-ul?

[MC]

A fost identificat unul din atacatori. Era un cetățean francez, cunoscut de poliție ca fiind extremist. Să vedem dacă și ceilalți șapte au venit odată cu valul toxic de refugiați năsoși.

Poftim aici.

LE: inca o informatie interesanta:

Attacker with Syrian passport was refugee who passed through Greek island

According to the Greek Public Order Minister Dimitris Toskas, the attacker found at the Stade de France who was found with a Syrian passport passed through the Greek island of Leros.

This happened in early October, under EU rules which mean migrants passing through must identify themselves. - sursa

Oare cand se vor trezi cei care iau decizii sa inceteze naibi cu political correctness-ul si sa ia masuri reale pt protejarea cetatenilor UE?

[zme-ul]

Nu vad nimic gresit in ce a zis madame. Exista moschei normale si exista moschei radicale, finantate probabil chiar de teroristi.

ba exista!
pentru ca securitatea, militia, jandarmeria ar fi trebuit sa-si faca treaba si sa elimine elementele radicale si finantarea acestora

nu se trezeste madame ca lucrurile astea nu s-au intamplat pana acum, si doar cu ea la conducere se vor infaptui .. ce drq

[Apollyon]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... elmed.html

France is fighting unwinnable war against terror
Disaffected French Muslims, Europe's open borders and the migrant crisis is creating perfect storm warn French terror experts

France is fighting an unwinnable war against the rising threat of Islamic terrorism, leading French terror experts warned last night.

Disaffected Muslim populations at home, unpoliced European borders and battle-hardened fighters now flowing in from Syria and Iraq were creating a perfect storm of terror that is now in danger of defeating the French security services.

France is estimated to have 2,000 citizens involved in Syrian and Iraq jihadi networks and a further 3,800 individuals known to domestic intelligence services as “radicalised”, all watched over by just 3,200 intelligence officers.

“The services are overwhelmed,” said Jean-Charles Brisard, head of the Paris-based Centre for the Analysis of Terrorism, “when you consider it takes 25 officers to provide round-the-clock surveillance on one individual, you can see the difficulty.”

Europe’s open border policy allowing weapons and terrorists to flow freely into France - with at least two of the Friday night attackers coming in from Belgium - means that there are now real fears that it is almost impossible for the intelligence services to keep track of the jihadi threat.

Reports that the attackers spoke un-accented French, but were carrying Syrian and Egyptian passports, including a passport registered in October at a refugee centre on the Greek Island of Leros, indicated that the Middle East jihadi threat had now fully materialised.

“This attack marked a step-change even from the Charlie Hebdo attacks and, if the use of foreign passports is confirmed it highlights the risks from 800,000 refugees fleeing into Europe from countries like Syria and Iraq,” said Camille Grand, Director of the Foundation for Strategic Research, another leading French terror expert.

[zme-ul]

^ solutia nu e inchiderea granitelor, ci o organizatie europeana multinationala cu scop unic de securitate a EU atat impotriva elementelor interne cat si internationale
acum e fiecare pentru el si se vede clar ca nu functioneaza

nici macar Israel, care e un stat ultra militar unde Mossadu te scormorneste si dupa ce te duci la WC, nu poate dejuca fiecare atac

[Apollyon]

Inca o informatie interesanta:

Two men who French police are seeking to trace in connection with the Paris attacks registered as refugees with Greek authorities earlier this year, the Greek police confirmed on Saturday.

French authorities had asked their Greek counterparts to check a passport and fingerprints of one man and the fingerprints of another who were thought to have registered in Greece, which is the main entry point into Europe for Syrian refugees. - sursa

[zme-ul]

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Doi refugiati inregistrati anul acesta ca solicitanti de azil in Grecia sunt cautati in legatura cu atentatele de la Paris, a anuntat politia greaca, citata de AFP.

[Apollyon]

A fost identificat unul din atacatori. Era un cetățean francez, cunoscut de poliție ca fiind extremist.

Omar Ismail Mostefai, 29 de ani, cetatean francez cu origini algeriene. Probabil ca si parintii lui au fost imigranti sau refugiati, au plecat din Algeria ca sa scape de saracie sau razboi, iar el a aderat la ideologia islamica radicala si a ajuns terorist. Un tipar binecunoscut.