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Oh, ba ar trebui sa dezvalui. Posibil ca cineva sa observe ceva mai bun ca alternativa.
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Mi-am schimbat sistemul în Iulie și deși aș fi putut face doar un GPU upgrade la cel vechi, am construit un build complet nou din dorința de a trece la 1440p gaming. Practic în-afara unui SSD de 512GB nu am păstrat nimic din vechiul sistem.

Am făcut un studiu de vreo lună până să aleg componentele, iar site-urile cele mai utile mi-au fost:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/ - reviewuri oneste, bine documentate
http://www.techpowerup.com/
http://www.overclock.net/f/ - topicurile de Owner's Club pentru diversele component sunt excelente surse de informare. Comunitatea e faină și activă, așa că puneți întrebări cu încredere


Altfel, sfatul meu când te apuci de un sistem nou este să ignori polemicile bazate pe procente infime de performanță în plus sau minus. 8% doesn't mean much, nici când e din 100fps nici când e din 20fps.

Mai importante sunt criteriile de ownership experience, cum ar zice americanii. Adică fiabilitate, promptitudinea serviciului de garanții, ergonomie, silențiozitate etc. Și prețul, evident.
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In ce priveste discutia Intel vs AMD, check this: https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/co ... al/cwukpuc

Intel au folosit tot felul de practici de monopol pentru a sabota AMD si a-i scoate de pe piata. Am crezut ca e o teorie a conspiratiei, dar au fost obligati sa puna o notificare pe site-ul lor care confirma: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... ice#opt-en

Data viitoare cand imi iau procesor o sa incerc sa ma orientez spre un AMD, chiar daca o sa platesc putin mai mult pentru aceeasi performanta. Asta daca vor mai exista procesoare AMD high end.
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De ce sa nu existe? E posibil ca Zen sa schimbe situatia actuala.

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu ... ing_2016/1
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Ok, nu stiam de Zen.
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McWilliams wrote: [...]

Cred ca am in minte ceva, gratie discutiilor pe care le-ati purtat aici, insa pentru sanatatea forumului, ma gandesc ca este mai bine sa nu dezvalui vreun schelete cu componentele pe care m-am decis. Nu de alta, dar va plac pe toti!
Ar fi interesant sa vedem macar scheletele sistemului tau.
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TG wrote:E posibil ca Zen sa schimbe situatia actuala.
e posibil ca Zen sa nu schimbe absolut nimic
va fi manufacturat intr-un proces de 14nm, ca nu prea-i deloc 14nm; Intel deja se pregateste pentru 10nm cu procesoare pe piata prin prima 1/2 din 2017
cand apare Zen deja o sa fie cel putin o generatie in urma Intel, si dupa primul an o sa fie cu inca una
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:lol: ^ Exact, si probabil Intel mai pregateste si inca o serie de manarii si de valize cu bani pentru benchmarkuri si review-uri :lol: De aia are nevoie de porcarii, de bun ce e...

Si il faceati pe MC batut in cap cand omul vorbea de ce experimenta el in viata de zi cu zi, si voi contra-argumentati cu benchmarkuri manarite. Lol, gg Intel. GG Intel fan-boys.
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Am avut AMD timp de 8 ani jumate si nu pot sa spun ca am simtit vreo diferenta de performanta asa de mare cand am trecut la Intel. Dar, e un mare DAR aici din ce am observat in sistemul meu: vorbind de stock cooler la ambii producatori, AMD-ul se incinge mult mai zdravan ca Intel, e mai zgomotos si consuma ceva mai mult. Intel-ul aproape ca nici nu-l aud, nu se incinge, dar ce-i drept la performanta nu am observat diferente asa de mari. In benchmark-uri o fi, nu zic.
Acum nu mai stiu exact la ce scoruri a mai ajuns AMD-ul cu performanta si consumul, avand in vedere ca ultimul mi l-am luat in 2004, dar din ce mai citeam prin 2012-2013 nici atunci nu erau la acelasi nivel cu Intel.
Nu ca as fi fan Intel, dar daca am stat 8 ani cu AMD, am zis sa stau tot atat si pe Intel, si dupa, voi medita in adancurile constiintei pana ma voi integra in absolutul Zenului si voi ajunge la iluminare, dobandind intelepciunea discernamantului binelui de rau si respectiv al slabului de puternic, astfel incat voi sti cui sa dau cinste tot restul vietii. Amen.

LE: Am mai citit niste zvonuri ca intre timp ARM-ul de cativa ani tot ar avea niste tendinte indraznete sa intre pe piata de server si microserver, cica ar fi dat mana cu AMD. So, let them fight!
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stef wrote:LE: Am mai citit niste zvonuri ca intre timp ARM-ul de cativa ani tot ar avea niste tendinte indraznete sa intre pe piata de server si microserver, cica ar fi dat mana cu AMD. So, let them fight!
AMD tocmai ce a anuntat o noua serie de Opteroane ARM pt servere dar ... sunt muci!
AnandTech wrote:AMD announced their ARM server SoC plans at the end of 2012. At the beginning of 2014, AMD was ready "to accelerate the ARM Server Ecosystem with the first ARM-based server SoC" with a development kit. Around March 2014, the A1100 SoCs started sampling. But the quad core dev kits were not only expensive ($3000!), they also had quite a bit of teething problems as performance did not meet expectations, some of the peripheral hardware did not work properly and the software ecosystem was far from ready.

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From the early reports, performance is somewhere between 80 to 90% of the Atom C2750 (Eight 2.4 GHz Silvermont cores at 2.4-2.6 GHz). Even if AMD has used the delay to tune the A1100 significantly, it is very unlikely that the chip will be able to beat the Atom chip by any tangible margin.

The performance per watt ratio of the 28 nm ARM Opteron is not stunning either: a TDP of 32W at 2 GHz is worse than the 20W that the 22 nm C2750 needs at 2.4 GHz. Of course, TDP is one thing, the real power consumption at low and medium loads is more important for a server SoC. Nevertheless, we were promised an octal core at Atom C2750 levels at 25W TDP.

And last but not least, the Atom has been available for more than 2 years now. Its successor, Denverton - or the 14 nm Atom C3xxx - should arrive in the second half of 2016. But Intel is late too, as Denverton was also supposed to be in the market by early 2015. Contrary to AMD however, is Intel executing very well in all other server markets. With the much less than hyped/predicted growth of the microserver market, it is only natural that Intel prioritize other products in its datacenter portefolio.

Overall the A1100's 32W TDP looks high and performance expectations are low, so why bother? Pricing perhaps? Unfortunately the answer to that will be "no," as AMD told us that the initial price of the A1170 SoC will be $150. That is the same price of the Atom C2730 (eight cores at 1.7 GHz), which will probably perform at the same level, but the Intel chip is a 12W TDP chip. At $150 the A1100 even comes dangerously close to the quad core, 8 thread Xeon D-1520 at 2.2 GHz ($199). Do not let the 4-cores fool you, we found that the octal core (16 thread) Xeon D-1540 is no less than 5.5 times faster than an Atom C2750 in real server workloads. Take a look below.

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The A1100 will probably score around 300, the Xeon D-1520 will probably score beyond 600. So an Xeon D-1520 will still be at least twice as fast as an Atom C2750 or Opteron A1100. So the new AMD SoC has no performance/watt advantage and no price/performance advantage over Intel's offerings.
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stef wrote: Dar, e un mare DAR aici din ce am observat in sistemul meu: vorbind de stock cooler la ambii producatori, AMD-ul se incinge mult mai zdravan ca Intel, e mai zgomotos si consuma ceva mai mult.
La mine a fost chiar invers. Am stat 8 ani pe un Intel dupa ce inainte am stat vreo 6 ani pe un Duron de la AMD, iar inainte de Duron am avut un Pentium 1.
Ai dreptate si e un fapt cunoscut. Procesoarele de la AMD (cel putin cele din seria FX) se incing destul de tare cu coolerul stock si consuma ceva mai mult.

Insa eu mi-am luat un cooler aftermarket cu 120 de lei si n-am avut mai mult de 31-32 grade vara in idle si vreo 55-56 in full load. Zgomotul la care te referi e produs coolerul stock care e jenibil nu de procesor in sine. Cu coolerul pe care il am eu nici nu il aud.
Oricum, eu nu as folosi la niciun procesor coolerul stock. Hell cooler pe care mi l-am cumparat a venit cu pasta termoconductoare preaplicata. Am sters-o frumos si am pus eu alta de la Arctic silver. Merge uns. L-am dus la 4,2 Ghz si n-am treaba cu el.
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Am stat cu stock cooler de la geneza pana acum si m-am putut juca orice si oricat fara ca procesorul sa se enerveze prea mult. Pe de alta parte pot sa dau vina pe placa video, ca aia incepea sa tureze de parca era turbina cand o bagam la corvoada primului Crysis si alte din astea care sodomizau hardware-ul by default.
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zme-ul wrote:
stef wrote:LE: Am mai citit niste zvonuri ca intre timp ARM-ul de cativa ani tot ar avea niste tendinte indraznete sa intre pe piata de server si microserver, cica ar fi dat mana cu AMD. So, let them fight!
AMD tocmai ce a anuntat o noua serie de Opteroane ARM pt servere dar ... sunt muci!
AnandTech wrote:AMD announced their ARM server SoC plans at the end of 2012. At the beginning of 2014, AMD was ready "to accelerate the ARM Server Ecosystem with the first ARM-based server SoC" with a development kit. Around March 2014, the A1100 SoCs started sampling. But the quad core dev kits were not only expensive ($3000!), they also had quite a bit of teething problems as performance did not meet expectations, some of the peripheral hardware did not work properly and the software ecosystem was far from ready.

...

From the early reports, performance is somewhere between 80 to 90% of the Atom C2750 (Eight 2.4 GHz Silvermont cores at 2.4-2.6 GHz). Even if AMD has used the delay to tune the A1100 significantly, it is very unlikely that the chip will be able to beat the Atom chip by any tangible margin.

The performance per watt ratio of the 28 nm ARM Opteron is not stunning either: a TDP of 32W at 2 GHz is worse than the 20W that the 22 nm C2750 needs at 2.4 GHz. Of course, TDP is one thing, the real power consumption at low and medium loads is more important for a server SoC. Nevertheless, we were promised an octal core at Atom C2750 levels at 25W TDP.

And last but not least, the Atom has been available for more than 2 years now. Its successor, Denverton - or the 14 nm Atom C3xxx - should arrive in the second half of 2016. But Intel is late too, as Denverton was also supposed to be in the market by early 2015. Contrary to AMD however, is Intel executing very well in all other server markets. With the much less than hyped/predicted growth of the microserver market, it is only natural that Intel prioritize other products in its datacenter portefolio.

Overall the A1100's 32W TDP looks high and performance expectations are low, so why bother? Pricing perhaps? Unfortunately the answer to that will be "no," as AMD told us that the initial price of the A1170 SoC will be $150. That is the same price of the Atom C2730 (eight cores at 1.7 GHz), which will probably perform at the same level, but the Intel chip is a 12W TDP chip. At $150 the A1100 even comes dangerously close to the quad core, 8 thread Xeon D-1520 at 2.2 GHz ($199). Do not let the 4-cores fool you, we found that the octal core (16 thread) Xeon D-1540 is no less than 5.5 times faster than an Atom C2750 in real server workloads. Take a look below.

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The A1100 will probably score around 300, the Xeon D-1520 will probably score beyond 600. So an Xeon D-1520 will still be at least twice as fast as an Atom C2750 or Opteron A1100. So the new AMD SoC has no performance/watt advantage and no price/performance advantage over Intel's offerings.
Lucrurile altfel vor sta in viitor cand programele ce ruleaza pe serverele astea vor stii sa foloseasca eficient toate nucleele procesorului ;)
Cetateanu » Sat May 23, 2015 8:39 pm wrote:mda, penibil, uninstalled
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sekaba wrote:Lucrurile altfel vor sta in viitor cand programele ce ruleaza pe serverele astea vor stii sa foloseasca eficient toate nucleele procesorului ;)
ce vorbesti frantz?! tu cunosti diferenta intre un soft facut pt desktop si unul ce trebuie sa ruleze 24/7 pe un server
plus ca Intel o sa se implice cu toata foarta ca acele softuri sa fie optimizate

cum ar veni aia sa cumperi un astfel de sistem intr-un datacenter si sa rulezi pe el "avioane"!?
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Cetateanu » Sat May 23, 2015 8:39 pm wrote:mda, penibil, uninstalled
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Doream de ceva vreme sa ma apuc sa-mi configurez un PC nou si am inceput vanatoarea de componente. Desi planuiam sa o achizitionez ultima, am luat prima data placa video, ca am gasit-o la un pret super bun aici. 970GTX OC la 1281 RON! Hell yes!
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uauu chiar ca e bun pretul. Mai ca-mi vine sa imi schimb R9 270x-ul care inca duce binisor. :D
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Pana la urma McWill ce o mai fi facut?
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Varianta aia de 970 are racirea foarte proasta, de-aia e si asa de ieftina.
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As fi nebun sa investesc o suma mare de bani in placa video acum cand Pascal bate la usa. Chiar daca nu e Strix sau Twin Frozr, cu un airflow bun in carcasa, racirea n-o sa imi puna probleme. Placa video am gandit-o ca fiind cea mai "slaba" componenta momentan, urmand sa o schimb ulterior. Pentru mine e best buy :)
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