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Ola, pana si link-ul de pe hotnews.ro pe care l-ai postat mai devreme are titlul "Haos si proteste dupa restrictiile de intrare in SUA instituite de Trump". Unde termenul RESTRICTII il poti percepe drept "extra scrutiny level". Deci cine sa va mai inteleaga?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38790629
Who is affected by the ban?
All travellers who have nationality or dual nationality of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen are not permitted to enter the US for 90 days, or be issued an immigrant or non-immigrant visa.

This includes those who share dual nationality with allied countries, including the UK, although Canada has been told its dual nationals are not affected.
White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said US green-card holders would also not be affected, although he admitted to NBC's Meet the Press programme that they could be subject to greater questioning at airports.

He said the seven countries had been chosen because they had already been identified by Congress and the Obama administration as the most likely to harbour terrorists, and did not rule out the fact that more countries could be added to the list.

Ali worked for three years as an interpreter for the US Army and gained admittance to the US through a Special Immigrant Visa, reserved for Iraqi and Afghan nationals who face threats of violence for working for Americans during the conflicts there.
He now has a green card, and returned to Iraq for his father's funeral, only to be delayed for hours for questioning at Dulles.
https://www.rt.com/usa/375360-trump-exe ... es-waiver/
An executive order signed by President Donald Trump imposes a blanket ban on all Syrian asylum seekers until “sufficient changes” are made to the refugee program, while barring entry to the citizens of some Arab countries for three months.
"I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest," the executive order says, according to the text published by The New York Times.

Eventually, refugee status will be granted to Syrians, but first priority will go to those who faced religious persecution. Trump signaled that Christians in Syria would potentially receive priority status in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network on Friday, according to Reuters.

"If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair, everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians," Trump said.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/p ... trump.html
President Trump signed an executive order on Friday titled “Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States.” Following is the language of that order, as supplied by the White House.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

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O poveste emotionanta:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... e-an-alien

In care aflam cum cineva nascut in Somalia si ajuns in UK la varsta de opt ani, castigator de medalii olimpice si recipient al titlului de "Sir" din partea Reginei ar putea in mod potential sa le explice copiilor sai ca "tata nu mai poate veni acasa". Iti dau lacrimile. Insa daca rezisti sa ajungi pana la paragraful 9, afli ca:
Farah is a British citizen with a British passport who does not have dual nationality or hold a Somalian passport. However, he was born in Somalia. His camp are seeking to clarify the situation with the US authorities.
Deci deplangem proverbialul drop de sare, alaturi de Sir Mo Farah, ca sa aflam, undeva pe parcurs, ca el inca nu stie daca i se aplica sau nu si lui restrictiile. Si mai mult, aflam ca el sta in US in baza unui pasaport UK si a unei cetatenii UK. But Black Jesus forbid he not be able to come home to Oregon and kiss his kids good-night.


Vezi, de asta ajungi sa nu mai dai doua parale pe ce face Trump - pentru ca ce apare in mass-media are la fel de multa legatura cu realitatea ca certitudinile enuntate de Trump.
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McWilliams wrote:Ola, pana si link-ul de pe hotnews.ro pe care l-ai postat mai devreme are titlul "Haos si proteste dupa restrictiile de intrare in SUA instituite de Trump". Unde termenul RESTRICTII il poti percepe drept "extra scrutiny level". Deci cine sa va mai inteleaga?
Oameni din cele 7 tari nu mai au voie sa intre in America. ce plm e asa greu? asta e extra scrutiny level? tu cu darth zombie si apolyion va transformati in antena 3 si rtv
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ba au voie, daca au viza. altfel ai putea sa te duci tu la televiziunea lui soros si sa urli ca romanii nau voie sa intre in sua.
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"The order suspended the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days as well as entry of people from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen for 90 days and from Syria indefinitely, regardless of visa."

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ala se referea la refugiati. te comporti ca un comunist frustrat si ne mai crezi si prosti. nu fix d-asta a pierdut si madam clinton? :lol:
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minti

"It blocks entry of people from countries covered under 8 U.S.C., namely Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Yemen, regardless of visa status, for 90 days. The suspension for Syrian refugees is for an indefinite period of time"
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ba tu

"The order also said that the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked."
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Fara suparare dar unele chestii de aici par scrise doar de dragul de a fi contra. Altfel nu imi explic de ce exista tentative de a reduce din importanta acestei decizii mizerabile.

Anyway.

Donald Trump signs executive order calling for a plan to defeat Isis within 30 days
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Azad wrote:Altfel nu imi explic de ce exista tentative de a reduce din importanta acestei decizii mizerabile.
Nici eu nu-mi explic multe lucruri. De exemplu daca acei oameni din Siria voiau sa se duca in USA pt distractie sau pt business? In cazul in care singurul business pe care-l fac este terorismul. Iar de distrat n-au voie din cauza religiei.
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Si pentru cativa sa punem o tara intreaga pe lista neagra si sa nu mai primim pe nimeni de acolo? Nu e prea frumos. Si nici prea corect.
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majoritatea acelor tari sunt macinate de conflicte de peste 20 ani + Arab Spring a fost acu 7 ani.

cred ca daca cineva voia sa iasa, pana acuma a avut timp destul.

p.s. care cativa? cei cativa care duc 99.9% nu doar din terorism ci si din omoruri, pe plan global?
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Lol. Restul stau acolo ca le place. Se simt ca-n paradis.
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bos, restul ori stau acolo si distrug monumente ori sunt paziti de oameni cu mitraliere.

deci da, ori se simt ca-n paradis ori n-ar putea oricum sa plece (sa nu mai vorbim de faptul ca n-au plecat SAPTE ANI DE ZILE!!!)
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Azad wrote:Si pentru cativa sa punem o tara intreaga pe lista neagra si sa nu mai primim pe nimeni de acolo? Nu e prea frumos. Si nici prea corect.
Din pacate pe topicul asta si pe internet in general nu se discuta asta, ci "TRUMP'S A NAZI!!!", iar interventia mea arata de ce se mananca mult rahat pe subiectul asta. Nu de alta, dar nu am vazut pe nimeni intrebandu-se ce afaceri o avea Obama in tari precum Indonezia sau Bosnia de nu i-a inclus in lista ordinului sau executiv [nu de alta, dar administratia sa a trasat lista de tari enumerate de ordinul executiv de ieri] si nici un picior de protestatar mega-revoltat pe strazi nu a iesit sa faca tambalau pe tema asta. Lumea se da cu fundul de pamant de dragul lui Yemen dupa ce n-au spus nici pâs atunci cand guvernul american a oferit suport logistic pentru sauditi atunci cand i-au bombardat pe aia de le-a sunat apa-n cap, asta da consecventa! Aici pe forum nici atat, dar ce pretentii sa am de la cineva care baga un link si citeaza din el fara sa foloseasca quote tag rezultand in postari cu formatari de doi lei si un troll care se preface ca nu e troll in timp ce ii acuza pe altii de trolling atunci cand nu scrie postari monosilabice?

Acuma ca lista include acele tari si nu altele e intr-adevar o discutie de purtat. Nu, acea lista nu este "anti-musulmana", pentru ca nu include nici toate tarile cu majoritate musulmana [si daramite alte tari cu proportii mari de musulmani in granitele lor] si nici nu face exceptie la crestinii sau cetatenii de alte confesiuni din tarile respective, deci naratiunea asta de doi bani cade din start. E clar ca lista respectiva e facuta pentru a multumi Israelul si Arabia Saudita, si scrisa de asa natura incat sa nu alieneze complet o Turcie cu un picior in afara sferei americane de influenta. Pacat insa ca ordonanta a fost facuta pe genunchi, prost redactata dpdv legal si n-a fost verificata pentru a o face inatacabila.

Cat despre refugiatii in sine, am foarte multa simpatie pentru ei si pentru situatia in care sa gasesc. Dar cand ai organizatii precum ISIS care au dovedit ca isi pot strecura proprii adepti in randul civililor cu atata usurinta, a lasa un volum mare de oameni sa vina fara sa fie verificati la sange este o idee sinucigasa. O idee mult mai buna este sa finantezi centre de refugiati in tarile vecine [cel putin alea sigure si dispuse sa faca asa ceva] alora din care fug respectivii pe termen scurt. Pe termen mediu si lung ii poti primi daca situatia nu se imbunatateste, dar numai si numai dupa ce scormonesti tot ce poti scormoni despre fiecare pentru a te asigura ca nu vei avea surprize neplacute. Primind oameni cu sutele de mii, val dupa val, ai sanse minime sa ai habar exact cine-ti intra.
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unul a intrat fix langa chioscul RATB cand voiam sa cumpar un amarat bilet de autobuz... trebuia sa traduc 2 minute ca nici tanti nu s-a lasat mai prejos cu necunoasterea de engleza
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The Economist (sursa)
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As a means to keeping Americans safe, Donald Trump’s order is almost worthless. Americans are much likelier to be killed by cows, fireworks and malfunctioning elevators than an immigrant terrorist.
Really, s-a apucat Ola sa scrie articole pentru The Economist?! :lol: Din preputul gandirii, ca sa citam din oamenii celebrii aici de fata. Evident, nici nemtii nu erau periculosi pentru sanatatea yankeului, in 1915. 30 de ani mai tarziu, lumea era mai putin convinsa de valabilitatea afirmatiei. Chiar daca, statistic vorbind, vacile, pocnitorile si lifturile demodate au cauzat mai multe morti. Pana la urma, ce tot se agita lumea cu leacuri pentru HIV, ebola, cancer sau alti virusi/alte boli care exista doar la nivel teoretic, cand exista mult mai multi oameni care mor de foame, de sete sau de frig? Nu mai bine sa fim orbi la posibilele probleme din viitor si, vorba aia, cross that bridge when we get there? Adica, na, Germania se descurca.

Oare daca Germania nu ar avea simtul acela de rusine dat de Hitler si de nazism si de a fi partasa directa la grozaviile a doua razboaie mondiale ca anti-erou, oare daca nu si-ar pune acum cenusa in cap pentru tot trecutul ei recent si ar fi la fel de impertinenta (zic unii) si/sau egoista (zic altii) ca Franta/UK/US, cine ar mai fi campionul cauzei imigrantilor? Pentru ca oricata empatie si oricata dreptate ar avea Germania (sau, mai concret, Merkel) in abordarea ei, trebuie sa ridice intrebarea "de ce Germania este exceptia si nu regula?".
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hypocrisy much?

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Also ti se interzice accesul si doar daca ai vizitat Israelul si ai stampila aferenta pe pasaport, indiferent din ce tara vii.
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